How to Talk to White Boys about Our Racist Country
In the span of one week I’m supposed to figure out how to talk to white boys about two mass shootings? Then a factory immigration raid that left children stranded without their parents?
How do I talk to my white boys about racism in a way that:
- doesn’t make them feel bad about themselves (shame does not lead to good outcomes)
- doesn’t bring undue anxiety into their lives
- helps them understand the unfairness of white privilege and the abhorrence of white supremacy in a way that makes them lifelong advocates against these things?
I barely have time to hold my own life together between a more-than-full-time job and trying to be a present parent. Additionally, one of my children is dealing with issues that require a lot of attention and time.
And yet we must fit this in. White people have the privilege of choosing to fit it in or not. We cannot and should not exercise the privilege to opt out.
How to Talk to White Boys: Mass Shootings
So how do we talk about it? First, I took Henry (8 years-old) with me to a vigil for the mass shooting victims. My explanation on the way there went something like this: “A white man from Dallas has been listening to everything that Donald Trump is saying about how bad black and brown people are. He decided to drive to El Paso, which is a city very close to the border of Mexico. The man walked into a Wal-Mart and started shooting as many Latinx people as he could. He had the kind of gun they use in the military. Therefore, he was able to shoot very quickly and didn’t have to stop to reload. It is so scary, sad, and unfair that this happened. We are going to go to a vigil. We want to show people that we are sad and mad and believe that all humans are equal, no matter what color their skin is. This happened very far away from us [TRUE], so you don’t need to worry about this happening to you [FALSE].”
Henry understandably had lots of questions. I tried to answer as matter-of-factly as possible. Our conversation veered into a discussion about the mass shooting in New Zealand. Next, I explained that the government there was able to change their gun laws in six days so that regular citizens didn’t have access to military guns. I explained that our government isn’t moving quickly to do the same thing.
How to Talk to White Boys: Immigration Raid
And then a couple days later I was trying to figure out how to talk about the raid in Mississippi. It was Saturday morning and the boys climbed into bed with me. I grabbed one of our social justice books from the library and read ¡Si, Se Puede! I talked about how sad I would be if I had to work all through the night and then on the weekend and still didn’t have enough money for my family. We processed other parts of the story.
Then I segued into a discussion about the raid. It went something like this: “You know what, guys? This week, something really sad happened. The government raided a factory in Mississippi and arrested people who were from other countries but didn’t have the proper paperwork to be here. Their children were at school. When the children got home, their parents weren’t there. Their parents were just trying to have the best life they could, just like we do. They were working all day every day trying to make a better life for their family. They were escaping from the country they were born in because they didn’t feel safe there or because they couldn’t make enough money to take care of their family. The thing I can’t understand about Trump’s belief about immigrants is that any white person in the United States of America is an immigrant. We immigrated from other countries because we wanted to make a better life for ourselves. Trump is an immigrant. His wife is an immigrant.”
I have no idea how to talk to white boys about what’s going on right now. I’m just trying to do something! Any and all feedback is welcomed!
In conclusion, my boys seem to be understanding. They also seem to be developing a sense that the world is unjust and that they should do something about it. They say things about how people don’t choose their skin color. Tate talks about how he wishes he were Black. Henry talks about how his best friends are People of Color.
6 Comments
Alycia
Good for you for discussing this with your boys! It’s not easy but it’s so necessary.
You know your kids, but I wonder if such a long monologue explaining to the boys about the incidents is the right approach. This might just be how you wrote it out but I know if my mom made such a long statement about something possibly new and sad to me, I would glaze over. I still remember when she explained the Holocaust and the Soviet Union to me when I was six because it was very simple and very back and forth.
What do you say when Tate says he wishes he were Black and Henry mentions his friends that are people of color? Those sentiments are often used by racist white adults who don’t want to come across as racist. Obviously with kids, it’s different but it could lead to them growing up saying stuff like this and thinking that makes them not racist.
Thanks for sharing this. It’s really important and I appreciate it.
Sara Cotner
Hi, Alycia!
I think there was more back-and-forth than my description made it sound (at least I hope there was!), but I will pay close attention to whether I’m droning on and on! Honestly, my children just start talking over us when they are bored of what we are saying 🙂
Honestly, I don’t respond the same way to my children as I would to an adult when they say things like they wish they were Black or that their best friends are People of Color. For now, I’m taking it as a positive thing that Tate is developing such respect and admiration for Black people. And Henry isn’t talking about his friends in a tokenized way; he’s genuinely reflecting on the fact that his best friends are Black and Latino, which is part of why he can’t understand why anyone would have hatred for them.
I think there’s still time for them to develop a more nuanced understanding of their comments and a more nuanced understanding of their role in a racist system as white males.
I definitely feel like I’m fumbling through all of this. One conversation at a time!
Alycia
Fumbling through conversations is way better than not having the conversation at all! I think it’s so important for children to see adults make mistakes and not know stuff. Too many people grow up thinking their parents have all the answers/are superheroes and then are crushed when they find out (way too late!) that they are just humans.
Thanks for responding. I really like that you are remembering you are talking to children, not adults. So many adults expect children to act like mini-adults and are shocked when they can’t. Or they treat children like complete morons and expect nothing from them.
Keep it up!
Sara Cotner
Thank you for your words of encouragement, Alycia! Parenting is so humbling…
Sarah
This is such a challenge. One book that I’ve found enormously helpful is Raising White Kids: Bringing up children in a racially unjust America. Jennifer Harvey describes being a race conscious white child as a “vexed position,” which I think is a great description. I also recommend White Kids: Growing up with privilege in a racially divided America, which offers fewer instructions, but is nonetheless informative.
Sara Cotner
Thank you so much for these recommendations, Sarah!